The thing is, there isn't a "continual bombing of Gazan civilians". The true number of civilians killed is absolutely unknown (whenever you think their numbers might be even a little accurate, think back to the PIJ rocket that hit a hospital, with immediate reports of 500 dead), but the Hamas numbers are certainly a maximum. With that, a…
The thing is, there isn't a "continual bombing of Gazan civilians". The true number of civilians killed is absolutely unknown (whenever you think their numbers might be even a little accurate, think back to the PIJ rocket that hit a hospital, with immediate reports of 500 dead), but the Hamas numbers are certainly a maximum. With that, and when you take the number of Hamas members killed, compare the ratio to Mosul and you see an operation carried out with incredible discretion and accuracy.
> The thing is, there isn't a "continual bombing of Gazan civilians"
30 seconds on Google later...
• "Gaza: Moment Israeli bombing tears through buildings captured" (The Telegraph, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBq7F-5lxKk — literally yesterday): "Israel has carried out near-daily air raids on Rafah, where more than half of Gaza's population of 2.3 million has sought refuge from fighting elsewhere"
> The true number of civilians killed is absolutely unknown [...] the Hamas numbers are certainly a maximum
No, that's not remotely certain. It's not unusual for war bodycounts to be UNDERestimates because, duh, wars tend to mess with the infrastructure for detecting and counting the dead. In the earliest weeks of the fighting — precisely when "the Hamas numbers" of dead were rising most rapidly (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68745681) — "the Hamas numbers" were grounded in lists of names (and sometimes ages) of the identified dead, an open opportunity for doubters to identify supposedly dead people who were actually alive and well. A Lancet article found "No evidence of inflated mortality reporting from the Gaza Ministry of Health" early in this conflict either. And "Hamas" counts of people killed in Israel's 2014 war on Gaza ended up broadly agreeing with those of a UN inquiry and Israel itself (https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-doubts-humanitarian-agencies-consider-gaza-toll-reliable-2023-10-27/).
> With that, and when you take the number of Hamas members killed,
By now 14,000 Hamas fighters have been killed in this war. So what if most Palestinians killed are not Hamas? Every single war has more civilians killed than combatants. Israel is actually doing better on this ratio than any war in the last 100 years, including US air operations in Fallujah, Mosul and Raqqa. So why are you specifically triggered by _this war_, other than it's Israel, "The Zionist Entity" if you speak like Iranian Islamists, which is fighting Hamas in a war the Palestinians started with the October 7 atrocities?
What war stopped because of civilian casualties going past some arbitrary point? Can you point to even one?
> By now 14,000 Hamas fighters have been killed in this war.
By now 34k Palestinians in general have been killed, with thousands more missing. So, accepting your 14k number as correct for argument's sake, the conclusion that most Palestinians killed were not Hamas fighters stands.
> So what if most Palestinians killed are not Hamas?
Aaaaaaand I think I've heard just about enough outta you.
Well, most Germans killed in WW2 were not Wermacht or SS, same for Japanese citizens compared to Japanese army, in fact most wars. When you can point to any war that had less civilians killed than combatants, get back to us. Meanwhile you can get off your imaginary Hamas provided numbers.
So this is fun. YouTube has a fun link under telesur that mentions it’s mostly funded by Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telesur in fact just the Wikipedia is interesting in the people who opposed its founding and call it a propaganda machine. Now I know from our past encounters that digging past the first result when you google-fu your way to “evidence” is not your strong suit but I would urge against using what many experts consider to be a biased news organization that has recently been accused of spreading Russian propaganda about the war in Ukraine.
Congratulations on learning that a TV news station, like every other news source, has a slant. (And dinging me for explicitly pointing to Google when you didn't even bother to do that, instead relying on a single link up front and center in my own Google hit, is quite something!)
Funny how you don't mention (know?) anything about the slant of my other source, the British Telegraph, a xenophobic conservative newspaper so embedded in the right-wing British establishment that it paid Boris Johnson hundreds of thousands of dollars to write for it. And yet it winds up aligning with TeleSUR on the fact that Israel's bombing Gazan civilians! Hm!
Oh but I did. I missed taking apart the surface level research you do. Sophomoric is about as apt a description of your knowledge as I can manage! It’s good practice. It’s easy too! Like that study about farming jobs you posted oh so long ago that I actually bothered to read. All 67 pages. Which must have been infuriating. Since it didn’t say what your precious headline level research said! But welcome back to I might be wrong! It’s been kind of boring without you.
The thing is, there isn't a "continual bombing of Gazan civilians". The true number of civilians killed is absolutely unknown (whenever you think their numbers might be even a little accurate, think back to the PIJ rocket that hit a hospital, with immediate reports of 500 dead), but the Hamas numbers are certainly a maximum. With that, and when you take the number of Hamas members killed, compare the ratio to Mosul and you see an operation carried out with incredible discretion and accuracy.
> The thing is, there isn't a "continual bombing of Gazan civilians"
30 seconds on Google later...
• "Gaza: Moment Israeli bombing tears through buildings captured" (The Telegraph, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBq7F-5lxKk — literally yesterday): "Israel has carried out near-daily air raids on Rafah, where more than half of Gaza's population of 2.3 million has sought refuge from fighting elsewhere"
• "Hospitals Gaza Strip continue in emergency after being targeted by Israeli bombings" (TeleSUR English, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NBep1DwUbA — earlier today)
> The true number of civilians killed is absolutely unknown [...] the Hamas numbers are certainly a maximum
No, that's not remotely certain. It's not unusual for war bodycounts to be UNDERestimates because, duh, wars tend to mess with the infrastructure for detecting and counting the dead. In the earliest weeks of the fighting — precisely when "the Hamas numbers" of dead were rising most rapidly (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68745681) — "the Hamas numbers" were grounded in lists of names (and sometimes ages) of the identified dead, an open opportunity for doubters to identify supposedly dead people who were actually alive and well. A Lancet article found "No evidence of inflated mortality reporting from the Gaza Ministry of Health" early in this conflict either. And "Hamas" counts of people killed in Israel's 2014 war on Gaza ended up broadly agreeing with those of a UN inquiry and Israel itself (https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-doubts-humanitarian-agencies-consider-gaza-toll-reliable-2023-10-27/).
> With that, and when you take the number of Hamas members killed,
Latest figure I can find for "number of Hamas members killed" is 12k in February (https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-12000-hamas-fighters-killed-in-gaza-war-double-the-terror-groups-claim/). Allowing for argument that the IDF isn't inflating that estimate, that would indicate that most of the Palestinians killed were NOT Hamas.
> compare the ratio to Mosul and you see an operation carried out with incredible discretion and accuracy
Hell, why not compare the killing rate to Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge: https://sethackerman.substack.com/p/the-khmer-rouge-index-updated-to
By now 14,000 Hamas fighters have been killed in this war. So what if most Palestinians killed are not Hamas? Every single war has more civilians killed than combatants. Israel is actually doing better on this ratio than any war in the last 100 years, including US air operations in Fallujah, Mosul and Raqqa. So why are you specifically triggered by _this war_, other than it's Israel, "The Zionist Entity" if you speak like Iranian Islamists, which is fighting Hamas in a war the Palestinians started with the October 7 atrocities?
What war stopped because of civilian casualties going past some arbitrary point? Can you point to even one?
> By now 14,000 Hamas fighters have been killed in this war.
By now 34k Palestinians in general have been killed, with thousands more missing. So, accepting your 14k number as correct for argument's sake, the conclusion that most Palestinians killed were not Hamas fighters stands.
> So what if most Palestinians killed are not Hamas?
Aaaaaaand I think I've heard just about enough outta you.
Well, most Germans killed in WW2 were not Wermacht or SS, same for Japanese citizens compared to Japanese army, in fact most wars. When you can point to any war that had less civilians killed than combatants, get back to us. Meanwhile you can get off your imaginary Hamas provided numbers.
So this is fun. YouTube has a fun link under telesur that mentions it’s mostly funded by Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telesur in fact just the Wikipedia is interesting in the people who opposed its founding and call it a propaganda machine. Now I know from our past encounters that digging past the first result when you google-fu your way to “evidence” is not your strong suit but I would urge against using what many experts consider to be a biased news organization that has recently been accused of spreading Russian propaganda about the war in Ukraine.
Congratulations on learning that a TV news station, like every other news source, has a slant. (And dinging me for explicitly pointing to Google when you didn't even bother to do that, instead relying on a single link up front and center in my own Google hit, is quite something!)
Funny how you don't mention (know?) anything about the slant of my other source, the British Telegraph, a xenophobic conservative newspaper so embedded in the right-wing British establishment that it paid Boris Johnson hundreds of thousands of dollars to write for it. And yet it winds up aligning with TeleSUR on the fact that Israel's bombing Gazan civilians! Hm!
I’ve missed you. I really have. Just surface level.
Not an argument 👆
Oh man. When did you get back splainer???? I missed you!!! Should I go through these numbers 1 by 1?
I've been posting Substack comments all along, you just didn't bother to follow them. I'm not sure you really missed me at all 🤧
Oh but I did. I missed taking apart the surface level research you do. Sophomoric is about as apt a description of your knowledge as I can manage! It’s good practice. It’s easy too! Like that study about farming jobs you posted oh so long ago that I actually bothered to read. All 67 pages. Which must have been infuriating. Since it didn’t say what your precious headline level research said! But welcome back to I might be wrong! It’s been kind of boring without you.